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Old 02-09-2005, 05:36 PM
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Default Evolution vs Creationism

Hello, I was doing a essay on the Evolution vs Creationism argument and just wanted to ask what you people think of it
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Old 02-10-2005, 11:42 PM
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Creationism does not belong in the science curriculum. Theories in science are based on evidence and inferences. Creationism is based on faith, so it should probably be taught only in a philosophy class.
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Old 02-13-2005, 02:23 AM
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Evolutionism isn't perfect, but it's the best theory we have. It's a shame that religion is still trying to keep science down after all these years. The Church did the same thing to Galileo when they told him We know you are right, but you cannot say these things. Aristotle said the moon is a perfectly smooth crystal sphere, so it must remain that.

God created this world including evolutionism. If animals evolved from simpler species, it is because God wished it. All humans are doing is observing His work. If scientists and science teachers would just say that then maybe we could call the whole thing off.
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Old 03-03-2005, 08:38 PM
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In response to "smiling": I'd have to agree. I am a scientist and a Christian and have long pondered and struggled with the seeming dilemma of evolution and creationism in the classroom. I have also come to the conclusion, albeit slowly, that God is the creator of all things, including evolution!
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Old 03-04-2005, 11:25 AM
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Default A couple of thoughts from a former teacher...

I agree with the previous posters that the subject of Creationism belongs in philosophy class, not science class. But if you are mandated to teach it as science, a few difficulties must first be overcome.

First, which version of Creationism do you teach?
The fundy Christian version, the evangelical Christian version, the fundy Muslim version, the moderate Muslim version, the American Indian version (at least a half dozen variants of that), the Hindu version, the Buddhist version, the Zoroastrian version, etc.

Once that's been settled, we need to decide...

What does the teacher use for scientific evidence to support a particular religious belief? The available empirical evidence doesn't particularly support creationism or any particular version over another.

Third, who will train the teachers on a new curriculum? There are not, to my knowledge, any regionally accredited colleges that seriously teach Creationism as preferable to another view.

Fourth, will school boards compel teachers to violate their conscience if they hold a particular belief about one version of Creationism versus another?
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Old 03-08-2005, 11:26 PM
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i finally was able to figure how to post my reply... or at least i hope so...
several quick thoughts
1) some people are already going against their conscience by not being able to bring up creation as a theory
2) science and Christianity are not mutually exclusive sets
3) science, at least in my estimation, as well as any discipline, is to better help our understanding of the Earth and Universe and to communicate it to others, then with whatever knowledge one has he/she makes new discoveries or passes on what he/she knows
4) one only has to look around at the wonder of it all to recognize that from wherever or whenever or whatever or Whomever started this process, albeit evolution or creation it is/was clearly WITH design so hence not happenstance
5) if all things go to disorder (as the 2nd law of thermodynamics states) then how would it be possible for a one cell organism to evolve into millions upon millions of varying species of vegetables or animals... it would seem that that is not disorder at all
6) go to www.icr.org (institute of creation research)... it has many articles (close to 400 in just the impact articles section) as well as comparing science facts and Biblical truths to each other
7) and lastly... just thinking out loud!
i do think that we all are still evolving... but only each species within its own species... i do not know how it could or would be at all possible for a one- cell parimecium to evolve into a cucumber... a chimpanzee... a dog... or a human... however i do think that God is the Master Designer and Artist and He alone has the ability to change and work on His creation as does any artist however and whenever he desires....and i think that throughout the centuries we have constantly come across new scientific facts that shows we can only begin to imagine what was actually being said in the Bible .. Thus [if] Christ is the maker of it all... it is only a miracle to US that He was able to walk on water or turn water into wine as it may defy all natural laws ...but aren't those only laws as we discover and agree with them (through observation and ability to re-create them)?... thus as Creator He clearly would be able to change its composition to make it be exactly as He wanted or needed it to be... and LASTLY.... whatever one decides to believe it still takes a stand of FAITH regardless whether it is creation or evolution
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Old 03-17-2005, 05:25 PM
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I am a college student at a well known university and was looking over the replies that you've received. I am currently writting an english paper on the same topic except I am reseaching it from which should be taught in the public school system. I completely think 100% that evolution is what should be taught to children. I think that creationism is a way for religious individuals to get there views into the public. Don't get me worry, I think religion is important but not in the science class room.
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Old 04-10-2005, 08:42 PM
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Default Creationism in Schools? ... Absurd

Our constitution states that church and state should be separate. First of all, the public school system is a branch of the government, and therefore it is unconstitutional. Second, it is bigoted and ludicrous to assume that SCIENCE classes should teach a fundamentalist theology. While we're at that, let's go ahead and fill our science curriculum with Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism.
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Old 04-11-2005, 10:20 AM
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I think Evolution is crazy and should be talked about in school.

God created heaven and earth and he created man in his image so if we evolved from an animal how can god of created us in his image unless he looked like a monkey himself?
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Old 04-11-2005, 08:55 PM
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Thumbs down The long debate continues...

The separation of Church and State is important, and that's why it's in the constitution. So is the right to worship in your own harmless fashion (remeber the stuff about race, colour, creed?). Taken together, we can see there's good reason NOT to teach creationism in science, especially when you might find the Eurocentric slant doesn't mesh well with all of our great country's citizens. I can't believe this debate even goes on. Surely, if you believe in God, you can see his work is NOT explained by science. If, on the other hand, you're fairly confident there was no help getting us where we are, then you probably don't feel the need to spread a religious story as fact. Either way, leave creationism to Sunday school, not public school.
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