Seriously? That's a late assignment?

[CherylD]

Questionable late assignment policy

First scenario

First week of school - All week the teacher says "Turn in your homework" at the beginning of class.

Second Monday - No request
As is standard-a student starts Journal entry required every morning-finishes

Hears teacher say I am returning your homework now (this is 10 min into class)

Brings 3 completed homework assignments to teacher-teacher states "Sorry I don't accept late assignments"

Another student happens to hear and runs her assignment to the teacher saying sorry this is late-teacher gives that student 80% credit because "Apparently several kids turned it in late"

First child still receives a zero

Second scenario

When entering class a student goes to teacher with questions regarding something they didn't understand on the homework. During a fifteen-minute discussion, other students are bringing their homework to the teacher. At the end of the discussion the student goes to his desk, retrieves his homework. Gets back to the teacher who refuses the homework stating "Sorry I don't accept late assignments"

Am I missing something here? I have researched what teachers consider late and have yet to find anyone using a 10 minute after class starts policy.
Why would a teacher give one student credit and another a zero even though the student who gets 80% is clearly a full minute later with her homework?

What do you think?

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

here's a novel approach - TURN IN YOUR HOMEWORK ON TIME and you dont' have any issues.



I'm not going to get ****************ed into your line of questioning. You have set the line of questioning up so that the only answer is the one you want.... "the teacher is wrong"

And I'm also willing to bet you are the student that had their homework denied, or it was your kid at the very least.

Quit trying to justify your own bad behavior (or your kid's) by deflecting blame

[CherylD]

If the teacher chooses this late assignment policy then all students should be subject to it, not just a few. Giving 4 other students credit for the same assignment turned in later is what I have an issue with. That is what's suspect.

[CherylD]

I want to thank you for your irrational angry response! I now feel more geared up to take this teacher on, especially if your attitude is how the teacher's will be.

"Quit trying to justify your own bad behavior (or your kid's) by deflecting blame"

Wow you need a vacation-

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

you are still missing the point

you (or more likely, your kid) isn't turning in assignments on time. And judging by the fact that teacher won't accept late assignments tells me that you (or your kid) is a pain in the rear in class.

instead of rushing to justify the bad behavior by deflecting the blame from the real issue, try realizing that in life, that sometimes, you run into people that, "if you scratch their back, they will scratch yours" It's politics 101. I hate politics as much as the next person, but it exists.

I have tenure, so I have a lot more say in my class than a year 1 teacher on annual contract. But if the principal comes in and "strongly encourages" me to do something this way or that, I can do one of two things.

Ignore, and continue doing things my way - which won't win me any favors if/when I need them in the future.

or do what is asked - which is remembered the next time I need the admins to 'have my back' in a situation.

also, is it clear why student A late work was rejected, but student B's was accepted? If yours just sat there and talked all period instead of working is different than someone being absent, and turning it in late.

[OOGIE99]

Dear Cheryl:

When my son started his private prep school last year, his history teacher outlined specific rules as to how and when homework assignments should be turned in. It was a rough start the first few weeks, but it trained him to get it to her on time and how she wanted it. Maybe you could ask your child's teacher to be specific about homework rules and just be sure your child hands it in. If the teacher is inconsistent and lets other kids get away with it, it will come out in the open eventually. Just make sure your child does it right.

[OOGIE99]

Don't let CNO incense you. I find it easier to "iggy" his/her posts.

[CherylD]

I think you are possibly a burnt out teacher by all the assumptions you have made about the student, choosing to err on the side of the teacher. The facts as I have previously stated are just that--facts.

1. The class is an honors class. Students worked to get assigned there.

2. Student in question is an A student, some scattered high B's.

3. There are a total of 9 students and to my knowledge-they are all honor roll.

4. If this were the only student to hand in the assignment late, my advice would have been, turn it in as you walk in the class next time since 10 min is considered late. Giving credit to a student who turns it in later than that is wrong.

4. Obviously the teacher has an issue with one student.

I was actually looking for advice on how to deal with the situation without causing commotion but your response is the attitude I got from the teacher.

Now I realize, there is no dealing with the teacher directly and have escalated the problem, primarily because I saw here on this blog with mostly teachers, all of your lack of response and angry response showed me what teachers think of parents who get involved.

I will not be asking for the teacher to change her policy, I will be asking for all students to be treated the same and for the previous grade to be changed. If you think that's unreasonable, then I think you have been in your profession too long as it has made you jaded and vindictive.

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

I think you are possibly a burnt out teacher by all the assumptions you have made about the student, choosing to err on the side of the teacher. The facts as I have previously stated are just that--facts.

1. The class is an honors class. Students worked to get assigned there.

2. Student in question is an A student, some scattered high B's.

3. There are a total of 9 students and to my knowledge-they are all honor roll.

4. If this were the only student to hand in the assignment late, my advice would have been, turn it in as you walk in the class next time since 10 min is considered late. Giving credit to a student who turns it in later than that is wrong.

4. Obviously the teacher has an issue with one student.


check you numbering there again genius. :rolleyes:

One thing I will agree with is your number 4 response - well, your second #4 response. :lol:

If my boss has an issue with me, I can complain it's not fair, or fix the problem they have with me. After all, who suffers if the boss don't like you? Not the boss, that's for damn sure.

[Unregistered]

Dear Cheryl,

All parents should be involved in the education of their children. I encourage you to talk with this teacher and communicate your concerns. Did you? I'm curious about their response.

Why was your child turning in late assignments? Were there some sort of extenuating circumstances?

Do you think that perhaps, the teacher felt that your child was blatantly disobeying the policy? Maybe they expected more from your child. Maybe they believe, for some reason, they need to be more strict with your child than the other students.

I'm not your child's teacher, but I know that all students are /individuals/. Diversifying curriculum is part of what is takes to be in effective educator. Students learn in different ways, and different disciplinary tactics work for different people. This may seem unfair, but really, anything else would be unfair.

Is your child turning in their homework assignments now?

Best of luck!

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

I just find it amusing that a parent who demands a universal class policy, also has a kid who probably has an IEP. :rolleyes:

[CherylD]

Unregistered -

This student NEVER turns in homework late, as I said in first post it was 10 min into class that work was due and the only reason it wasn't turned in prior to that was the student was waiting for the teacher to ask for it. However, 4 other students turning in same assignment after this student received credit because "Apparently several students forgot to turn it in."

The response from the teacher regarding this issue was "I don't recall that." A conference with the principal is pending.

Other current grades do not reflect such a problem with this student

Pre Calculus - Average - 100.42 - (Due to extra Credit being completed)
Comparative Religion - Average - 103.84 - (Due to extra Credit being completed)

Chocolate - Are you saying a universal class policy is ridiculous? This is an honors 11th grade English class, kind of a lame shot at IEP students though.

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

seems pretty convenient, everyone screams for individualization, until it doesn't work in their favor.

[CherylD]

Here's some more:

Unless a kid has a autism, mentally handicapped, or physically handicapped, they should be held to the same expectations

Some parents actually are involved in their kid's life

Teacher policy?
She has until tomorrow to get the 5 missing homeworks (25 minutes worth of work) for a now reduced grade. But reduced is still better than nothing.

[tru24m]

I tell my kids from the first day of class that I will not under any circumstances accept late work. I tell them that when I call for the homework they have that time to turn it in. as soon as the majority of the flow to the in-box subsides, I give the "going once, going twice, SOLD" sounding, then I collect the assignments, staple them into a packet, and then file them away. Any point from here the assignment is considered late and will not even be considered for collection. I had a protest or two the second day, but I made it clear that this was what was expected so buck up and deal with it. Once that was etablished, I have never had to waiver from that.

If the policy you say is in place in that teacher's room, then that's what it is. There shouldn't be any reason for a student to feel offended if they have completed their homework as required.;)

[Unregistered]

Sounds like this is a way to blame the teacher for something the kid misinformed the parent about.

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

Sounds like this is a way to blame the teacher for something the kid misinformed the parent about.

you're not possibly implying that a student would not tell their parent the 100% truth now are you? :p Heaven's I say... what is this world coming to when a student can't be trusted to tell their parents the truth. :D

[Unregistered]

This post has gotten WAY off topic. Let's stop engaging in internet arguing and bullying like our students do. In regards to your first question:

1. Get the whole story. If your child or someone you know is giving you this story, I would suggest you call and SPEAK (not yell or accuse) with the teacher first. You may find out some missing information that makes the situation become more clear.

2. If you find out that the teacher is being unfare, then and only then may you take it up with higher authority.

3. I am a teacher, but I also was a child once too. I used to play the sympathy card with my parents all the time. "The teacher isn't being fair" was almost always a lie. Definately look into this from all angles first.

[Unregistered]

Who gets to decide what excatly is autism or a handicap? Almost everyone can get in on a 504 if their parents push hard enough. However, it is those parents who make the school officials cringe. They want their kid to be special, just like every other kid out there.

I finally gave in last year and now accept every single late assignment that a student hands me. Now I spend my time grading late papers rather than emailing and calling parents. Some trade-off, huh?



Here's some more:

Unless a kid has a autism, mentally handicapped, or physically handicapped, they should be held to the same expectations

Some parents actually are involved in their kid's life

Teacher policy?
She has until tomorrow to get the 5 missing homeworks (25 minutes worth of work) for a now reduced grade. But reduced is still better than nothing.