Dsylexia on IQ test

[Michedu]

Ok I have a question for all the special ed teachers. What kind of pattern would you see on subtest of IQ test scores that would sugest Dsylexia?

such as memory, vocabulary, ect.....

does anyone know ?

thanks
michedu

[Michedu]

Wow, am I being ignored ??????

[Special Ed Mom]

I don't know the answer to your question, but wanted to say Thank You for attempting to help.

I have two dyslexic children and two ADHD children. The ADHD kids received an IEP and the Dyslexic kids have been ignored. The system failed my second oldest, who tried her senior year twice and dropped out. Five years later she just took her GED. My youngest is entering 7th grade with no help and is starting to fall behind. I guess that's a good thing because when she was eight and I went to Child Study, I was told that since she wasn't two to three years behind she wasn't dyslexic. If you self correct, you're too smart to be dyslexic I guess.

As I begin private testing for her, if I find out anything that will help I'll let you know.

Again, thanks for making the effort.

[Unregistered]

I am dyslexic. I teach high school English and French--the two most problematic languages for dyslexics. I was an honor student during all of my education experience. I tried to get my dyslexia officially diagnosed in order to discover the process of diagnosis--if a dyslexic person has developed strategies to cope, then the system will refuse to diagnose the problem as dyslexia.

_Making the Words Stand Still_ by Donald E. Lyman has been my greatest resource. Using a colored plastic overlay on my reading material has been my greatest strategy. My loving mother has been my greatest asset--she taught me how to read when the public school failed to do so, and she has taught me her own daily coping strategies.

[Barbara R]

You might find the text Understanding Dyslexia by Sally Shaywitz helpful. There are ideas and strategies as well as research based information. It's also availble on CD as an audio book. There is another helpful text by Birsh and Birsh on multisensory teaching. I honestly forget the exact title and the author(s) could be a different but similar spelling. It goes through each major subject area and spells out ideas and some programs as well as case histories. I read both books a few years back but found them helpful. Straight Talk About Reading by Susan Hall and Louisa Moats is a short easy to read parent friendly book too. It is usually available at local libraries. Ideas are shared as well as just useful information from a parent as well as a professional in the area of reading and dyslexia.

[Unregistered]

I have been argueing this for years.I hear how the teachers have a degree and I dont.I hear they will have problems in all subjects not one.Problem is they are wrong.I was ordering on line, when I somehow got into a discussion with the person((wish I got her name)) who explain to me.She had 3 kids with this and only one had the problem in all sunjects.I think it isnt well studied,and assumed by schools that it is in all areas. My daughter wrote 100% correct but backwards((look in the mirror and and it would be correct. she is a lefty,but can write right or left)).We also was at a civil war reanactment and one of the reenactoress` was a teacher-she was very impressed. soooo I am VERY interested in this conversation. please help me.
does it slow their abilty??? imo yes.thanks:)

[Unregistered]

a little background about me before I start. I was a poor...ok, not poor, I was a horrible student throughout my school life. I continued to rake in the D's and F's from first grade (twice) to 12th. I was a mess. For the most part, if I didn't understand something in school, I would try to figure it out myself because the teachers made it clear that they would not hold up the whole class so I could catch up. My parrents couldn't care less if I passed, got F's or even graduated. By the time I was in 10th grade, I realized that my problems were more than just "not getting it." I struggled to make things work because I realized that I was going downhill fast. I struggled day and night to "get it," but eventually, every time in fact, ended up giving up.

I graduated with a 1.5 GPA in H.S., and went into the Army. Fortunately for me, the way the Military structures their ASVAB test and their GT score (equivilant to civilian IQ score), I cruised through to get extremely high marks. I wound up being within the top 10% of the military scores. While in the Army, someone realized I had a problem when I read almost 3/4 of an eye chart backwards and inside out. They sent me for testing and found that I had a severe case of dyslexia. When I say severe, I mean QUITE SEVERE, almost to the point of being physically hindering (yes that is possible. feel free to google it under "Physical symptoms of dyslexia"). After getting my @$$ chewed for not divulging a learning disability (about which I did not know), I was given some of the best remedial education in the world, thanks to the Army. I learned how to read again, how to write again, and how to logically think about numbers. After several years of battling with that mess, I am proud to say that I am graduating in May with a teaching Degree in Integrated Language Arts, from a prominant Midwestern University. Not only is that the case, I am graduating with honors. I nailed deans list almost every semester and landed on the National Deans List for the past 3 years.

My point is this; people think dyslexia is only reading things backwards. That is only about 10% of the disease. The larger part affects working and short term memory, information processing, and to some extent physical functions. Also, dyslexia has been linked to several headache, vision, and stomache problems.

The reason I was like I was in school was because of worthless teachers who didn't have the common sense that god gave a bowl of grits to notice that I had a problem. The reason I am the way I am now is because a problem was acknowledged and validated by people who cared, AND THEN I was taught how to learn.

I have completed research equivilant to doctorate students in the field of dyslexic studies. Not for a degree, but for me to better myself as a teacher, and to make things easier on myself, so to answer the question, there are really no patterns as far as tests go. There will be issues with a dyslexic's memory, not long-term, but definately working (7 seconds to 8 minutes) and short term (< 7 seconds) memories. Also, dyslexics will have lower scores on things such as comprehension and short answer, but not for the reasons you think. It has more to do with the block-type print and the color of the print. Most block-style columns seen on standardized tests will trigger jumping (words moving), jumbling (words bouncing off of and into each other), word seepage and bleading (when words blend together and form blurry lines of text), and other such problems. Lighting also plays a role in this. Anything other than natural light and neon lighting can trigger dyslexic fits.

In conclusion, thanks for posting this topic. It's fun for me to share my knowledge. Hope this helped a little at least.

Gerald

[Unregistered]

As far as testing for dyslexia, first the only state in the US that still uses the term dyslexia is Texas. The term Specific Learning Disability in Reading is used. What would happen is the school would give an IQ test such as the WISC IV. They would also give an achievement test such as the Wood**************** Johnson. If there is a discrepancy between the child's IQ and their achievement test in reading (most states it is a 15 point discrepancy), then they would be classified as Specific Learning Disability in Reading. The same is true in math. If there is at least a 15 point discrepancy in the achievement testing in math versus the IQ score, the child would have SLD in math.

Hope this helps.

[Unregistered]

I'm not a teacher, but I was searching on the web on tests for dyslexia. My parents were told I would never make it past a six grader level. I was in special education kindergarden through 2nd grade because I wrote and read everything backwards. As someone mentioned previously, you could read it in a mirror. After moving to another school I was tested, and I began learning how to recognize words as opposed to sounding out words. I graduated in the top ten percent of my high school class and I've achieved six years of college, but I still struggle with it everyday. I recently had to study over 3200 pages for a certification in my field at work. I spent over five times the amount of time they stated it should have taken and I still failed the test. I found myself trying to take a quiz at my desk that only had five questions and an hour had went by before I could finish it, which was not acceptable. Every noise around me was distracting and I couldn't remember the first of the question by the time I read the end of the question. Does any have those symptoms? When taking the certification test I didn't even get to 13% of questions. It was a five hour test and it just wasn't enough time for me to read the questions and the multiple choice answers, and then mentally process it.

I would really like to be tested again so I have documentation on my disability. I could do much better at my job if I could be in an office where I'm distracted. I have to focus on my task and only it, with no sound around me or else it takes me a long time. I going to take the certification test again, but I'm going to pay for it myself because I don't want my work to know if I fail again. The group providing the test said if I had documentation on my disability they can provide me more time. I just don't know where to go. Everything I read is on testing children.

Ok, I've tried four times to verify the letters and numbers to post this reply and I'm failing to do it. I'm going to keep trying. Hopefully I'll get this posted.

Does anyone have any ideas?

[Unregistered]

I have dyslexia (reading) dyscalculia (math) and dysgraphia (spelling) when i was tested I scored low in the areas that had to do with reading, math and spelling but scored high in all other areas. depending on how smart the person is you should see a big jump in there scores between the tests that have to do with reading and the ones that don't.(or in my case spelling and math also) the score they get on the test called similarities should tell you what there IQ most likely is. If you were to take away there dyslexia. because the test is not made for people with dyslexia. I scored 120 on my IQ test and 160 on similarities. the lady who tested me said I am not telling you your IQ is 160 but i would not be surprised. the IQ test is in no way a good way to tell learning disabilities. you must do the full test. I was tested a lot in school and halfway through the test they could see that I had ADHD. They would stop the tests and they never found out i had dyslexia. ADHD is NOT a learning disability. It is a problem with your attention span. Dyslexia can be corrected to the point where it would not even show up on the test. you can erase it entirely. that being said it is important to note that there are many different types of dyslexia for instance I do not see stuff backwards. instead I have no ability to sound stuff out. I do not put the sounds of the letters together to make the word. I see the letters as symbols and if the symbols are in a specific order I know the word. but it has to be a word i have already memorized. I learn best with flash cards.I wish they would have kept using flash cards right up through high school. I would be a lot better reader. but when it comes to my dysgraphia I do spell things backwards. The difference between English and Chinese is we have a letter for every sound they have a symbol for every word. there are lots of different ways of learning. We need to stop teaching learning disabled kids to do simple life skills (Balance a check book and pay your rent) and work on there learning problems. most people that have Dyslexia have the ability to memorize things. it is a visual learning instead of a book learning. I hope this helps you.

O ya sorry about the spelling

[Unregistered]

I have dyslexia (reading) dyscalculia (math) and dysgraphia (spelling) when i was tested I scored low in the areas that had to do with reading, math and spelling but scored high in all other areas. depending on how smart the person is you should see a big jump in there scores between the tests that have to do with reading and the ones that don't.(or in my case spelling and math also) the score they get on the test called similarities should tell you what there IQ most likely is. If you were to take away there dyslexia. because the test is not made for people with dyslexia. I scored 120 on my IQ test and 160 on similarities. the lady who tested me said I am not telling you your IQ is 160 but i would not be surprised. the IQ test is in no way a good way to tell learning disabilities. you must do the full test. I was tested a lot in school and halfway through the test they could see that I had ADHD. They would stop the tests and they never found out i had dyslexia. ADHD is NOT a learning disability. It is a problem with your attention span. Dyslexia can be corrected to the point where it would not even show up on the test. you can erase it entirely. that being said it is important to note that there are many different types of dyslexia for instance I do not see stuff backwards. instead I have no ability to sound stuff out. I do not put the sounds of the letters together to make the word. I see the letters as symbols and if the symbols are in a specific order I know the word. but it has to be a word i have already memorized. I learn best with flash cards.I wish they would have kept using flash cards right up through high school. I would be a lot better reader. but when it comes to my dysgraphia I do spell things backwards. The difference between English and Chinese is we have a letter for every sound they have a symbol for every word. there are lots of different ways of learning. We need to stop teaching learning disabled kids to do simple life skills (Balance a check book and pay your rent) and work on there learning problems. most people that have Dyslexia have the ability to memorize things. it is a visual learning instead of a book learning. I hope this helps you.

O ya sorry about the spelling

my Email is pbrstreetgang79@gmail.com if you have any questions

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

Dyslexia affected my score on the IQ test I took a few years back....


I thought I scored a 130 on my IQ test, but it turns out I really scored a 031

:eek:

[Unregistered]

OK Chocolate NO, what sick satisfaction do you get out of using dyslexia in a joke? I am sure if your child had dyslexia, you would fail to see the humor in your post. You are truly a disturbed individual, and you must care how people perceive you or you wouldn't be so quick to defend your "honesty" on this forum. If you truly didn't care, you would ignore them.

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

seems I have yet another unregistered stalker too afraid to register. You'll be gone soon enough. lol


FWIW - my daughter did/does have a mild case of it. But I realized that somebody looking to be offended by what I said would take offense. lol

[Unregistered]

That is rich, afraid to register? Afraid of what, the forum police? You are too much...........immaturity strikes again. You responded!!!

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

I just want you to register so I can tell when I run you off (by your lack of new posts) :p



it's just hard to keep track of all the unregistered sack riders I have on here. lol

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

and in case you are dyslexic too.


˙ɟɟo noʎ unɹ ı uǝɥʍ ʍouʞ ı os ɹǝʇsıƃǝɹ



:D

[Unregistered]

again, you respond. Immaturity.

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

again, you respond. Immaturity.


moth to a flame :D

[Unregistered]

ah HA! Gotcha! I the flame, you the moth! HA!

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

ah HA! Gotcha! I the flame, you the moth! HA!
I can keep this up longer than you :cool:

[Unregistered]

OH NO! Choc, you just "ran me off" !! Sob, sob

[Chocolate_New_Orleans]

oh no! Choc, you just "ran me off" !! Sob, sob
+1 .

[Unregistered]

Regarding this thread, just a note to any parent or school of someone with Dyslexia ... do not EVER dismiss a Dyslexic person as "thick".

Like many others labelled "Dyslexic", I barely made it through school (though I did pass and graduate), but I don't have a degree because I didn't get into university, and NOT because I didn't understand the work I was doing at school - I understood it FULLY (so much so that I was mind-numbingly bored with it) - but because I simply could not read, comprehend, process and answer exams sufficiently, in a limited time period, to get the grades that would truly reflect my ABOVE 165 I.Q., (99.999th %ile) and allow me to "qualify". When I was given an assignment to do in my own time, however, I was a virtually straight-A student, who achieved results of 97, 98 and 99%, and OFTEN 100%; but that meant nothing when it came to final High School exams and University entrance-tests, for these are time-limited, and like many Dyslexics the expression of my understanding and knowledge, and speed, are absolutely mutually-exclusive concepts. There is little worse for an intelligent, scholastically/academically-inclined person to be seen to have "choked when it mattered", when one did NOT ... but that's life for many highly intelligent people who are also Dyslexic.

For example, 98% of the time I say left when I mean right, write braed when I mean bread, 63 when I mean 36, and run late from "Dyslexic Disorientation" ... but I also solved Einstein's Challenge in less than an hour, when Einstein himself said most people can't solve it at all, no matter how long they take over it. And, on that, both Leonardo da Vinci and Albert Einstein were obviously Dyslexic, and yet they're two of the greatest Genii this world has ever known ... so much for the Dyslexic being "dumb" or "thick" or "disabled"! Indeed, I'd agree with Davis in saying a Dyslexic has hyper-ability, not dis-ability; hyper-function, not dys-function ...

But, though they can and do figure out a lot on their own, that makes them continually behind, so they must be taught the way they need to be.

The problem is the inflexible education-model that allows for no variance in what is considered "achievement" -- no variance in what it takes someone like me, with Severe Dyslexia (according to the Davis Scale), to learn -- NOT with the dyslexic student who's busting their arse to achieve and learn. Until educational facilities and/or classes in same are available to cater to the totally unique educational-needs of the Dyslexic student, this situation will continue unaltered, and people like me with unusually high intelligence AND Dyslexia, will be doomed to mediocre scholastic-achievement, that DOES NOT - that in NO way - reflects our real abilities, which in general are exceptional. In my case, my "Severe Dyslexia" hid my "Genius" IQ, and my IQ hid my Dyslexia, from anyone who may have noticed and helped when it mattered, and I know I am not the only one who can say that -- that phenomenon is very common.

The only solution I can see is for any student who performs badly on a standard I.Q., test or any school test(and when I say "badly" I mean achieves only an average score, or less, when the kid SEEMS smarter than that to parents and/or teachers), to be given a Culture-Fair, Dyslexia-adjusted IQ test AND a recognised Dyslexia test, such as the Davis Scale, so that there are no "cracks" through which the Dyslexic student may fall.

And if not corrected, or adjusted for, in school it carries into real life, as was poetically demonstrated by other posters, and we have Einsteins working as Patent-clerks, Leonardos never getting much finished ... and others of us working as bar-tenders and bouncers, cleaners and clerks, and not passing work tests which we know we can.

So what IQ would signify Dyslexia? From my research, an unusually above-average one.

Thanks for letting me share,

3MEW-NOON :)
"I put the Sexy in Dyslexia"

[Unregistered]

I'm a geologist who happens to be dyslexic. I made dismal grades in elementery, middle school, and high school, even though I understood all the stuff in my classes. My GPA was around 2.0 in high school. School, though always hard, became easier the higher education I got. I will graduate Summa Cum Lade with my masters. I allowed my rights as a dyslexic to expire under the ada. I regreted that in undergrad and ended up getting tested again for grad school so I could actually finish some math classes (otherwise there was no chance). Because I'm higher IQ than the average bear, I didn't appear in need of help at school so teachers thought I was lazy. Not true at all. I actually remember crying staying up all night working on problems in math or whatever. When I retested, my IQ ended up somewhere in the top 1% of people (that technically makes me a geius, but I sure don't feel like it). I almost didn't believe it since I can't write, I hate school, and other kids have always gotten better grades. But then part of me thought, wow, no wonder I hated all those kids who I knew I was smarter than but got better grades than me. So I guess my point is, just hang in there. I flunked out of so many classes it's not even funny. As a matter of fact, I had no idea i would get this fare with how bad my dyslexia is.